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熊沢さんが「露悪」とか平易では無い表現をしたので、調べてみた。
>欠点や悪いところを【わざと】さらけ出すこと。
<https://www.weblio.jp>
これだと大分ふわっとしてるので、もう少し調べてみた。
>露悪とは、物事の欠点や悪い・醜い部分を【意図的に】表現することである。
<https://dic.nicovideo.jp>
>どうたらこうたら〜
<https://gimon-sukkiri.jp>
熊沢さんは
>>33923「露悪すら自覚的に出来ない奴」
と言うけど、世間一般的には
「露悪と言った場合、自覚があるのが前提。自覚が無いものは露悪とは言わない。」
ようなんだけど。熊沢さんの中の「露悪」の定義ってどうなってるんだろう。
>「露悪的」とは、「自分や他人の欠点や悪いところをわざとさらけ出すようす」のことです。
>ひとつめの意味は、実際にはそれほど悪い人間ではないのにも関わらず、わざと悪い性格や振る舞いをすることや、悪い部分をさらけ出すことです。「必要以上に、自分が悪ぶった行動をすること」や「自分の悪いところをさらけ出すこと」を表します。
>ふたつめには、「他人や物の欠点や悪い点ばかりを必要以上にあげつらうこと」という意味があります。
<https://gimon-sukkiri.jp>
熊沢さんが、この2つめの意味で言っているのなら、画面端の人もtohkaさんも私も
>>33923「露悪がきちんと出来てる奴なので優秀」
という事になってしまう。
のぶまささんが思っている以上に画面端さんは物分かりが良いし、物分かりが良いかとどうかと迷惑行為を働く人物かどうかって別次元の話ですよ。
熊沢さんは、画面端の人の何をもって物分かりが良いと言っているのか?( ̄▽ ̄;)
管理人「そういう事は迷惑だから止めてね。」
画面端の人「分かりました。もう二度としません。」
これこそが、物分かりが良い状態だと思うんだけど( ̄▽ ̄;;)
実際は三日月国131村
月狼国の管理人「そういう事は迷惑だから止めてね。薔薇の下国の管理人にも迷惑掛けないでね。」
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月狼でBAN、薔薇の下でBAN。
画面端の人は何も分かってないし、何も理解してないと思うんだけど( ̄▽ ̄;)
別に画面端さんを叩きたいなら「分かっててやってるのが余計にタチ悪い」で十分なのに、なんでのぶまささんは分かってないことにしたがるのか…。
>>33935 トーマス
それを世間一般で「物分かりが良い」と言うのかな・・・( ̄▽ ̄;)
熊沢さんの中での「物分かりが良い」は「煽るのが上手い」みたいな意味なんだろうというのを察して話を進めるとして。
「画面端の人が煽るのが上手いか?」というのも、かなり疑問符が付くんだけど。
それと、tohkaさんに対して熊沢さんは不快感や敵意を表明してる訳だから、
熊沢さん「tohkaさんは煽るのが上手い。物分かりがいいからこそ分かった上で相手の嫌がることしてる。
俺が嫌がる事をするなんて大したもんだ。tohkaさんは誇ってください。」
とならないと、熊沢さんの理論の筋が通らず、ダブルスタンダードだと思うんだよなー。
画面端の人を良い意味で評価するなら、tohkaさんも良い意味で評価しないとダメだと思う。
>>33944 トーマス
「画面端の人が、正しく認識できている客観的な事実」って例えばなんなの?
僕?ここはそういうことをするお店じゃないの。だからおちんちんはしまおっか?え?他のお姉ちゃんはしてくれる?そんなことはないのよー。ね?いい子だから…
うん、そっかー。でもお店の決まりだから無理なのよー。お金払えば良いってことじゃないの。ね?分かってくれるよね?駄目なの?でも…
あ?飴あるよ?食べる?ごめんねーでも駄目なのよ。そう言うのがしたいならそう言うお店でね?お店の人もちゃんと説明したでしょ?聞いてない?そんなことは…
読み直してて、
>>33910「のぶまささんは『投げればとりあえず石の当たる属性の人間や団体が存在する』と思ってるかもしれないけど、現実はそんなことないよ。」
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>>33911「ちなみにこの認識を正しいと思い込むことを差別と言います。」
とかもよく分からなくて、熊沢さんが「差別」の解説をしているなら、「差別」の意味から逆算して熊沢さんの言ってる事を理解できるかもしれないと思ったんだけど・・・。
>1 あるものと別のあるものとの間に認められる違い。また、それに従って区別すること。
>2 取り扱いに差をつけること。特に、他よりも不当に低く取り扱うこと。
<https://www.weblio.jp>
これはまた熊沢さんの中の「差別」は世間一般とは違う独自の意味・定義・ニュアンス・解釈になってそうな気がする。
なぜなら、熊沢さんの発言の「差別」の部分を辞書の意味で置き換えても話の辻褄が合わないから。
念の為に言っておくと、私は
「投げればとりあえず石の当たる属性の人間や団体が『存在する』」とは思っていないし、言っていない。
「投げればとりあえず石の当たる属性の人間や団体が『存在しない』」とも思っていないし、言っていない。
「卵を産む哺乳類は存在する」とか「空を飛ぶ哺乳類は存在する」みたいな言い方は分かり難いから、
できれば「カモノハシは哺乳類だけど卵を産む」とか「コウモリは哺乳類だけど空を飛ぶ」みたいな分かり易い言い方にして欲しい。
をぼろんはかなり微妙なラインだな。ある程度の自覚はあったと思うけれどどこがダメだったのかの認識はズレてたのかもわからん。
「悪いことしてる奴はバカ」みたいな認知は今すぐ改めたほうがいいですよ。
irohshs君とかriotさんとか正にこれでドボンになりましたが…。
「悪いことしてる奴はバカ」、相手が何一つ悪くなかった場合はダメージが自分のみにしか入らなくなるし、それで味方につけた奴は認知がおかしい奴しかいないので味方として役に立たないし、何一つ手法としていいところがない。
自分でいつも話をぶつ切りにして連続性のない反論しか言ってないから他人の話の連続性が見えてないんじゃないですか?
評価するとか言うからわからんのかな。「画面端さんはそこら辺の迷惑行為を働く奴らよりよっぽど事実を正しく認識できている」これで伝わるかな。
のぶまささんの画面端叩き、「画面端に自分が荒らし扱いされたのが許せない」が原動力なんだろうなあとはいつ見ても思う。
「悪いことしてる奴はバカ」は全面的に正しいと思うんだけど( ̄▽ ̄;)
熊沢さんの>>33956「京アニに放火した青葉容疑者は35人も殺すなんて、頭がいい。賢い。」
みたいな犯罪者を称賛するような見解は流石にどうかと思う。
頭が良いなら売れっ子ラノベ作家とかになってたんじゃないかと。
>>33962 トーマス
私は瓜科の管理人にも荒らし扱いされてペナルティ掛けられてるけど、別に瓜科の管理人を批判してないでしょ?
(ついでに言うと、tohkaさんは瓜科で荒らし扱いされてBANされてるけど、瓜科の管理人を批判しないやん?)
もう少し柔らかい表現にしたとしても、
熊沢さんはデスノートとか好きそうだな・・・( ̄▽ ̄;)
「夜神月カッコイイ!」みたいな。
いや、デスノートちゃんと読んだ事無いんだけど。
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