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そのリプライがortさんを含んでいなかった場合にメスクリ君がどう捉えたのかはおうちの人と一緒に考えてみましょう。
基本的にメスイキ野郎のことは古くなったドアのつがいが経年劣化か錆びかなんかでギイギイ鳴るのと同じようなものだと皆思っているので、我々はドアのつがいからのクレームだけを聞かされている形にはなってるわけだ。
どういうことかと言うと、ドアのつがいにクレームが付かないのは我々がドアのつがいに不満がないか、あるいはあるのか分からないよと言うことだな。
影響とか文脈とか考えずに自分のしたい会話しかしないroyce
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他の誰にも分からない文脈を前提に話が進むメスクリ君
なのでそりゃ噛み合わんわな…。
メスクリ君の中では「猫又が村側役職しか道連れにしない設定だと、占い師CO者を道連れにした際に真確定する」ということを指してヤバいと言っているのかも知れないが、ロイス君はこれを知らないか、知ってても何らかの理由で別にヤバくはないだろって言ってるだけなのでは。
よく分からんが猫又の道連れ対象が村陣営にしかならない話みたいだが、「うちの地元のやっさんが晩飯スープしか飲まなかった」と言われても知らんがなってことを感じとる能力でも持てばいいんでは?
>>30557 カタリナ
色々試してみたら良いと思うけど、たぶんダメだと思うなぁ・・・( ̄▽ ̄;)
人狼ゲームでいう、いわゆる「あいだに入って通訳する人が必要な状態」だと思うから、
ロイスさんに「その発言の主語は何ですか?」と聞くよりも、他の人に「ロイスさんのあの発言の主語は何ですか?」と聞いた方が良いと思う。
ロイスさんに直接聞いてダメだったら、他の人に聞いてみるのも試してみたらいいと思う。
まなまなさんが「ロイスさんの発言意図が分からない」のもあるんだろうけど、ロイスさんが「まなまなさんの発言意図が分からない」のもあるんだと思う。
>>30566 カタリナ
想像だけど、
まなまなさん「猫又の処刑時の道連れを村陣営限定にすると、確占するパターンがあるから村が有利過ぎる」
<https://twitter.com>
↓
ロイスさん「それ言い出したら、狐も確占するパターンがあるから村が有利過ぎない?
狐呪殺で確占がレアケースや運が悪いで済まされるなら、猫又も問題無いのでは?」
<https://twitter.com>
とか、そんな所なんじゃないかなー。
どちらかというとロイス君がortさんを巻き込んでリプライしているということについて、メスクリ君が存在しない理由を推測したり読み取ろうとしていたことのほうが問題の根本だと思ってるけど。
巻き込みリプはリプ側からすれば歩いてたらいつの間にか木の枝が服に引っ掛かっていただけだが、服側からすれば木の枝が刺さって痛いわけだ。
そこで「痛いじゃない!なぜ木の枝が刺さるように歩くのかしら!何かしたって言うの!?」となんやかんや
・リプライが気に食わない
・巻き込みリプなのも気に食わない
同時並行で気に食わないと言っている状態なのに今気づいて、ちょっと恥ずかしいなと思っているところ
そういうtwitter民はロイス君に限らず存在するけど、その手の人ってテレビに向かって話かけてるのと同じようtwitterを使っているのでとことん追求してしまえば良い気がする。
いや、巻き込みリプあんま好きじゃないから
ロイスさんが巻き込みリプをしているかいちいち確認してチェック外すの面倒だから、いらいらしているときにさらに面倒に感じるってだけだから
そこまで説明したくないかなとかそんなん
>>30573 カタリナ
「17Aのクソ編成」の件って、ロイスさんのこのリプの事であってるのん?
<https://twitter.com>
これは「16Aの件」で、「17Aの件」は別にあるとか無いよね?(念の為)
別に誰かがどの編成はこっちが有利!って言ってるのを知ってるとか言われてもすごいな、とは思わんしなあ…。
地元の先輩で竹下って言うのがいるんだけど、チャーハンにピータンを入れるとコクが違うと言われている。最近の奴はピータン入れないよね。
ええ…。竹下さん知らなかったら誰知ってるの?あの竹下さんを知らないなんて想定はなかった…そんなバカな。
>>30515 トーマス
ポエマーって2ch用語とかスラング的なものだと思うから、ポエマーの正確な定義とかは無いんだろうけど、と前置きしつつ。
<https://dic.nicovideo.jp>
<https://dic.pixiv.net>
「他のメンツに分からない話をしている人」を揶揄する言葉としてポエマーは使われてるんじゃないの?
熊沢さんは、画面端の人が何を考え何を言ってるのか分かったような気でいるから、
「画面端の人の言ってる事が分かるから、画面端の人はポエマーではない」って言いたいんだろうけど、
「熊沢さん以外の他のメンツに分からない話をしているなら、客観的には画面端の人はポエマー」なんじゃない?
まなまなさんが、
「村建ての決めた事にケチを付けるような事は言わないで欲しかった。次からはそういうの止めて欲しい。」
と思うのも理解はするけど・・・( ̄▽ ̄;)
たぶん、ロイスさんに対して色々な人が色々な事を言ったけどダメだったので、今があるんだろうし、たぶん何か言ってもダメなんだと思う。
月狼国の管理人も、ロイスさんに何か言っても分かって貰えないと思った(分かって貰えなかった)から、参加制限のペナルティにしたんだろうし。
「FF外からのリプは失礼だ」とか「村の編成・設定・ルール・コンセプトの変更を希望するのは、ケチを付けるみたいに見えるしは失礼だ」というのが世間一般や人狼ゲーム界の常識で御法度なら、
分かり易く「ロイスさんのそれはマナー違反だからやめてね。」っていう話なんだろうけど、一概にそうとも言えない気がしてなー。
・「FF外から失礼します」と前置きしつつ慇懃無礼にクソリプするツイッター民とかも、多少の市民権を得ている気がする。(まぁ、ブロック対応される事がほとんどだとは思うけど)
・プロローグで編成・設定・ルール・コンセプトの変更を希望してくる人は、長期人狼ではちょこちょこ居る気がするし、問題視されて無いと思う。
再掲だけど、「空の声くん、空の声くん!私に王子様の役割をもらえはしないかな?」は個人的には衝撃を受けたけど、これも誰も問題視してなかったみたいだし。
<http://www.moonpupa.jp>
「悪気は無いんだろうし、やんわり断れば八方丸く治まるでしょ」
<http://www.moonpupa.jp>
と言われたら、「せやな」って感じよね。
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