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少女 アニー (master)
以下の時間でサーバのメンテナンスがあるそうです。
2020年07月21日02時00分 - 2020年07月21日03時00分
メンテ中はアクセスできないと思われるので、村をやるときは気を付けてくださいね。
(>>28579) 2020/07/13(Mon) 20:50:17
おくやすみたいにおバカな奴だとものの限度が分からないのか、強いスタンドを持っていることがあるからね。
例えばおくやすのスタンドが強い。ディオのスタンドが強いと言う取りだしかたをするとおくやすはディオくらい強い精神力を持っていると言う勘違いも生じるわけだ。
ちょっと誰か1000円札持ってない?右のポケットに目薬入ってるから、左のポケットに4000円ないとバランスが悪い。
基本的に提示された状況にどう対応するか、っていうゲームなのでこの状況にはこうしたらいいと思うって話にセオリーの話をしても意味はないと思うのだよな。
セオリーの話をしたいならなぜこの状況がセオリーの当てはまる状況なのかを説明しないといけないわけだ。
明らかに黒判定を出した仕事の終了した占い師を吊る以外の手がないのに▼ABCDEと言われた場合は▼占い師にするために狩人COも当然考えられたはずだ。
なのに、狩人回避したABCDEに真狩人が対抗してきて人狼はかなり勝つことができた。狩人が回避するのは人狼しか得をしない…セオリーと言うわりには自分は謎のセオリーを使ってくるようになる訳だからちゃんと今がどういう状況なのか、どういう状況だと認識しているのかを共有しないと半角カタカナで喋ると狂人だ!と満場一致になってしまうわけだな。
状況の共有の利点は、村人は今どういう状況なのか分かっていないことが多いので「今こういう状況か?」を提示することで「いや、ちがくね?」が返ってくることがあるわけだ。少なくともいや、ちがくね?の可能性があるなら人狼にしか得がない狩人COを保留することができたかもそれない。
「今、こういう状況だ」→「一秒でも早く狩人して、自分に考える時間を与えるな」と言うことを全部一人でやってしまうから狩人COと言う悪手がどや顔で起こりうる。
アホなんだから全部自分で完結するなと言うことだな。
何の話をしているのかと思ったら、
仕事終了占い師を差し置いて▼灰としたときに、そのまま仕事終了占い師吊りにスライドできるのにもかかわらず、狩人回避を見て反射的に真狩人がCOしてしまった村があるのか。
というかこれを正とすると、散々のぶまささんが言ってた「霊襲撃よりは占い師襲撃のほうがセオリー」「確霊を消しても占狩をどう処理するかは考え続けなくてはならない」あたりの主張は何だったんだということになるんじゃないのかね。
占い師襲撃のケースと比較しないならセオリーとか何も関係ないじゃん。
のぶまささんの主張的に、占い師襲撃が有利であることの証明をする必要がないんじゃなくて、
ただ自我も主張もなく僕の意見にケチつけたいだけだから証明の必要がないし、する必要もないって考えてるだけですよね。
そもそもの話として、確定霊襲撃後の議論誘導ができるかどうかや、狼陣営が能動的に誘導しないにしても村が間違った結論を出すのかについて、絶対評価では確信を持った結論なんて出しようがないんだよ。当たり前だけれど。
だから「具体的にどうやって?」という疑問に対して、確固たる結論を導き出すのは初めから不可能なわけです。
でも確率がはっきりしている部分の比較ならまだ可能だから、
100%ポリー黒が覆せない状況より、ポリー黒が100%じゃない状況のほうがマシだよね、とは言えるし、そう言ってるわけです。
のぶまささんの今の主張って、HPVワクチンの副作用を100%抑えることはできないからHPVワクチンは有害であるとか、原発は100%安全だといいきれないから脱原発したほうがいいとか、本当にこういうレベルの解像度の話しかしてないんだけれど、自覚あんのかな。
そこで言ってた「占い師襲撃の有効性を説明する必要がない」ってのも、副作用について説明する必要がないとか、放射能の危険性について説明する必要がないとか、そんな論外レベルのことしか言えてないわけ。
相手が100%断言できない部分を、それを理解した上で最後の拠り所にして「言い切れないなら説明できてないじゃん」なんて反論するのは、世間一般ではバカにされる手法ですよ。
1日単位で何かしらのアクションを起こすゲームで1日以上相手の発言の背景が理解できないと限界を越えてしまいそうだな…。
900tararaが暴れだしてしまう…。
まあ別にのぶまささんがどんなに馬鹿の挙動をしようとそれは勝手だけれど、少なくともそれをやっておきながら画面端さんにマウント取ろうとするのはかなり無理があるんじゃないかな……………。
喫茶と間違えて予測変換で木田沙織と打ちそうになった。
kiseshi君が木田沙織に通ってることになってしまう。
新着発言はありません。RELOAD最終取得時刻 --:--:--
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