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村騙りを好まない人達と結果騙りを好まない人達は大体被ってるんじゃないの?
実際、ダーウィドは村建てで村騙りにも結果騙りにも否定的みたいだし、要するに奇策的な事に否定的なんでしょ。
逆に
・村騙りはNGだけど、結果騙りはOK
とか
・村騙りはOKだけど、結果騙りはNG
という考えの人が居たら、そっちの方が疑問だし理由を聞いてみたい気がする。
画面端の人「結果騙りは戦術的にアリだからアリである!」
ダーウィド「確かに!」
nobumasa「え、じゃあ何でダーウィドは村騙り禁止にしたの?
戦術的にアリかどうかで言ったら村騙りもアリなのでは?
確占したり、狼占が破綻するかもしれないし( ̄▽ ̄;)」
という事になってしまう。
ルールに書いてないことを勝手にルールだ!と言い出すのが紳士協定だとすると竹島は韓国の固有の領土だと言い出すのとやってることはあまり変わらないように見える。
人の物を盗むのは法律がなくても俺は紳士なのでやらないが…法律があっても財布を公共の場所に起きっぱなしにした結果盗まれたことを紳士協定の裏をかかれた不快だ!と言われても、頭大丈夫かこいつは…と思ってしまう。
盛り上がってるなあ
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r ヽ、__)一(_丿
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そもそも判定や能力者COで嘘つかないのって、単にそうしたほうが多くの場合は都合がよいというだけの話でしかないからな。
一般論とか定石とかセオリーとかそんなレベルの話でしかない。
百歩譲ってそれを紳士協定という呼び方をしている点を認めたとしても、不快感を感じさせないという目的で設定されたものではない以上、それを根拠に批判するのはズレてんなって思う。
>>11770 ニコラス
この辺に集約されるんでしょ。
>禁止行為
>・他の参加者を著しく不快にさせる言動
>・その他、裏技っぽい言動及び行動は基本的に禁止
<http://www.wolfg.x0.com>
・管理人や参加者の多くが村騙りや結果騙りを戦術として認めた場合→OK
・管理人や参加者の多くが村騙りや結果騙りを荒らし行為だと判断した場合→NG
管理人が「結果騙りは裏技っぽい言動及び行動」と認定したら、それまでである。
ちなみにリア充国の参加者やゆーろさん周りは村騙りや結果騙りに寛容というか、それ込みのゲームだと思ってる風だからね。
実例とか沢山あるけど、近い所だとメタガチ村で牛男爵さんが村騙りして確占させたけど、私も含めて誰も問題視してなかったでしょ。
結局の所、「空気読んで」って事なんだと思う。
紳士協定担当相 ねこらび
セオリーを無視することが革新的だと考える低能の暴走担当相 Dr.前提条件
掛け持ち担当相 qootarara
掛け持ち担当副大臣 nobumasa
月狼の管理人をやらせてもらっている アプリコット
得体のしれない処理目線 織物
いつか閣僚会議を開こう。
夜に寝ない子供に夜になるとオバケが出ると教えた結果、成長した子供がオバケの存在を前提とした生活サイクルを身につけてしまったのかもしれない…。
村騙りやら判定騙りは、その後の進行次第で大事故に繋がるから、嫌われるのはある程度しゃあないよねえ。狼が白確定しちゃうとかw
いっそ、村騙りや判定騙りを禁止にしたい村立ては、村情報ページに大惨事の起きた村のアドレスを参考資料として貼ってはどうかとか思ったりした。
紳士協定とかなんやらを言うより効果は上がるかもしれないわ。
ちなみに話の起点になった村は見てないよ。
狼が確定白のまま抱え落ちする状況ってそんなに発生しないと思うけどな。
大抵の場合は襲撃発生前に撤回が入るのだし。
なんか、村情報に意図的な寡黙の禁止的な項目を盛り込んだら、いざ寡黙になった奴が現れたときに「意図的寡黙は禁止だから狼ではないのでは?」みたいなルールの守り方がよく分かっていなさそうな推理しているやついなかったっけ。
狼が確定白のまま抱え落ちする状況ってそんなに発生しないと個人的には思うけど、瓜姫様が言うには
禁止行為のC:ガチ村のみに基本適用される、便利パック的なルール群に
>(3)意図しないが、結果的にゲーム破壊につながりかねない行為
>・占い師や霊能者が、判定騙りをしたまま、吊りや襲撃のある更新を挟む
禁止行為のD:本来は禁止行為とされないことが多く、村建て人の好みで選択されるルール群に
>(10)判定結果偽装
>真能力者が、あえて違う結果を発表することです。
>効果が皆無とは言いませんが、たとえ更新前に解除しても、村を迷走させた挙句に結果的に時間を浪費してモチベーションを削り取っただけ、となる場合も多々見受けられます。
<http://melon-cirrus.sakura.ne.jp>
って書いてあるからねぇ。1度も発生して無い事とか、1度しか発生してない事を【多々見受けられます。】とは表現しないんじゃないかとか。
私や画面端の人の認識より、沢山の村を見ていると思われる瓜科の管理人の認識の方が正しい可能性はある。
>>11783 ペーター
そこに関してはダーウィドも他の村建ても、そうしてるんじゃない?( ̄▽ ̄;)
例の村に関しても、村の情報欄に
>◆禁止事項
>・初日(らある国における2d)の村人による騙り行為
って書いてあるじゃん。
瓜姫様に
>画面端の人は全く禁止事項を読んでない・理解してない
<https://jbbs.shitaraba.net>
って言われちゃうくらいだから、読んでもいないし、理解もしてないんだろうけど( ̄▽ ̄;)
例の村の情報欄のURLを貼り忘れた。
<http://ranukiwolf.sakura.ne.jp>
ダーウィドの「紳士協定」っていう言葉のチョイスはちょっと違うんじゃないかなとは思うけど、言わんとする事は分かる気がするし、
そもそも村騙りも結果騙りも起きてないので、画面端の人の揚げ足取りに見える。
名探偵に薔薇を で検索をかけたらあなたの番ですが関連項目に出てきて何かと思ったら、ドラマの劇中に出てくる本棚に入ってたのか。
ビアンカことankokumenさんが
>ゼクウこと熊沢さんは脳内補完しすぎ。妄想が激しいって言われたことない?
<http://marchocias.xsrv.jp>
↓
>873名無しさん@ゴーゴーゴーゴー! (スッップ Sd62-Bw7u)2019/09/11(水) 15:45:10.50ID:1a7v056cd
>ビアンカはあれBAN対象だろ
>煽りに暴言ひでえ
<https://lavender.5ch.net>
>875名無しさん@ゴーゴーゴーゴー! (オッペケ Sr73-X8lO)2019/09/12(木) 11:06:58.91ID:J+P+BIiwr
>ビアンカ単純に人狼向いてないだろ
>謎の苛つきのままに暴言吐くとか赤ちゃんかよ
<https://lavender.5ch.net>
しかし、ankokumenさんが暴言を吐いているという事になると、tohkaさんも暴言を吐いているという事になってしまうのではないか?
もしかしてtohkaさん=ankokumenさんなのではないか?
ちょっとした偏向報道なので、補足しとくと
ビアンカことankokumenさんが独り言でジークムントに対して
>好きにしなよ、ばーか。
<http://marchocias.xsrv.jp>
↓
オチスレ874
>どっかの灰にあった、ジークムントへの「ばーか」には笑った
<https://lavender.5ch.net>
という流れかもしれないので、熊沢さんは関係無いのかもしれない。
人狼関連の珍ツイートに期待してねこらび君のツイッターをブクマしたが、タイムラインが完全にゲイである。
ねこらび
@nekolabi821
アイナナとwrwrdを糧に日々生きてます。
推し→三月メインに和泉兄弟/Re:vale/ナナライ九条天/ゾムさん/鬱先生/ショッピくん
趣味→人狼とイカ
アイコンはヒツジさん、
ヘッダーはけいさんから。
「taraさんって、たらさんでしょ?」
とか
「ことらさんって、伊吹ことらさんでしょ?」
とか言ってしまう可能性ある。
ゼクウのチップ、どう見ても熊本autoroguard好みだなと思ったら熊谷autoroguardだった。
新着発言はありません。RELOAD最終取得時刻 --:--:--
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