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馬鹿は断言できない学者や医者を信用せずに断言するオカルトにハマってしまうという話があるけれど、こんな形で体感するとは思っていなかった。
まあ、のぶまささんの虚無による反論よりは僕の主張の方が信用度はあるはずなので、その点は心配しなくても良いと思うよ。
nobumasaの発言のスペースが邪魔だからフィルタかけてるのにわざわざコピペしてくるゴミ沢nobumasaguardはそれでnobumasaになったつもりなのだろうか?
nobumasaになると言うことはnobumasaの思考を理解し、nobumasaの思考でnobumasaの発言を理解できることを言う。
その上で両者の発言の比較を行い命題を解決することを指します。
発言としては通貨価値が画用紙に描いた絵だからな…、単純に在庫にかかる経費がかかるだけになってしまう。
ゴミ沢nobumasaguardですら数時間でannさんのhomoの話がゲイの話じゃないことは理解したのと比較すると数日は長い。
というか、どこかでポリー黒から灰狼が捕捉されないという妄言シュミレートをのぶまささんがやってたと思うけれど、実際にあの村の本譜で「ポリーの仲間はロルウェルしか残らない」って推理がなされていたんだし、この点はどう評価するのよ。
或いはポリーの仲間はロルウェルって推理に対して、のぶまささんならどう反論するのよ。
謎ののぶまさ理論を採用してのさんによる占い師襲撃のデメリット説明が免責されたとしても、この点は流石にのぶまささんが具体的に答えや反論法を考えなきゃいけない点なんじゃないの。
>>29383
確霊襲撃が有利という事を証明するには、その他の全部と比較して有利だという事を証明しないといけないと思うよ。
熊沢さん「確霊襲撃が有利」
nobumasa「そんな事ないんじゃん?」
nobumasa「うーん。占い師襲撃の方がいいんじゃん?」
熊沢さん「かくかくしかじか」
nobumasa「なるほど。でも、その話でいうと確白襲撃の方がいいんじゃん?」
熊沢さん「まるまるくまぐま」
nobumasa「なるほど。でも、その話でいうと灰襲撃の方がいいんじゃん?」
だから、灰襲撃の話なんてのぶまささんですら今までしてなかったんだから、僕がその話をしていなかったとしてもなんら不思議ではないですよね。
現状は熊沢さんと私を含めた全員が占い師襲撃意外と比較する必要性を感じてないだけ。
(私達が必要性を感じてないだけで、必要性は存在していると思う。厳密には、念の為に検証すべきだと思う。」)
>>29384
そんな事無いよ。確霊襲撃が有利だと説明するのは熊沢さん、検証するのは私。
検証する過程で、穴が無いか粗探しみたいな事は当然行われるし、必要。
>>29386
確信を持った確固たる結論じゃなくていいよ。ざっくりした青写真で良いともう。
ただ、「確霊襲撃は誘導し易さが段違い」とか「切り崩す方法が2通り」とかじゃ、程度の問題としてざっくりしすぎ。
nobumasa「占い師襲撃は誘導し易さが段違い!切り崩す方法が確霊襲撃だと2通りだけど、占い師襲撃だと3通り!」
って言ったら、熊沢さんは「なるほど。確かに。」ってなる訳?( ̄▽ ̄;)
「具体的にどういうことなのか説明してよ。」ってならない?
で、灰襲撃の是非については、灰襲撃でも霊判定を隠蔽出来ないという点では占い師襲撃と同様なので、霊判定を隠蔽せずに占い師襲撃することのデメリットが、ほぼそのまま灰襲撃のデメリットにも当てはまりますよね。
だから普通に考える頭のある人に向かってわざわざ説明する必要性がないわけです。
>>29387
「ポリー黒が100%じゃない状況のほうがマシ」だとは思うけど、それより「真占を襲撃した方がもっといいんじゃない?」とか「真狂不明な占い師を襲撃した方がもっといいんじゃない?」って所で止まるよね。
ここ比較するには「確霊襲撃した後、どうするの?」っていう所が必要だよね。部分的にとか一時的には確霊襲撃有利だと言う事を証明しても、最終的には占い師襲撃の方が有利とかだったら確霊襲撃が有利とはいえないよね。
「狼占が信用取れば勝てる!」だけだと占い師襲撃でも成立しちゃうから、これだと確霊襲撃が有利とはいえないよね。
>>29388
そんな事は無いよ。
ワクチン使うメリデメリと、使わないメリデメリを比較して、使う方がお得なら使うよね。
原発を使うメリットとデメリットを比較して、使うメリットが上回れば使う方がいいと思うよ。
>>29392
画面端の人になんの正義があるの?
画面端の人をBANにした管理人達の方が間違っていると思うの?
>>29409
これ画面端の人の事だと思うんだけど( ̄▽ ̄;)
熊沢さんは画面端の人とユーモアのセンスが近くて、諸確音頭とかツボだったっぽいから、
画面端の人はウケている=例のツイートは画面端の人の事では無いと思ってるんだろうけど。
ここで言う正義ってツイフェミとかネトウヨがかがげてる奴っぽいので、いずれにしてもそんな正義はないな…。
人狼PLとして、画面端の人のようにだけはなってはいけない。
(BANされて人狼ゲーム自体が出来なくなるか、それに近い状況になるから)
熊沢さんが画面端の人に毒されて、そうなってしまわないか心配。私は熊沢さんと遊びたいし。
(まぁ、画面端の人BANにならないのに、熊沢さんがリア充国でBANになるとは思って無いから、大丈夫だと思うけど)
画面端の人はダメという前提でダメな所や理由を探して、そうならないように気を付ける反面教師にするぐらいがいいと思う。
画面端の人に共感したり、自分の中に画面端の人の存在を感じてしまったら危険だと思う。
画面端の人に正しさを感じるというのであれば、「熊沢さんがnobumasa化している」という指摘は重く受け止めるべきだと思う。
ナチュラルボーンにnobumasaさんは反面教師的存在かもしれないけど、意図的に意趣返ししてる所もあるからね( ̄▽ ̄;)
私がこういう行動を取ってる一因に、ギルマンの件とかも絡んでる可能性がある。
狼占い師が信用取れてるなら、霊襲撃しちゃえば狼占い師=狼とバレなくなるから、そのままストレートに信用取りに行けば良くなるでしょ。
リア充の雑談村なら、こういう事をやっててもいいと思ってるけど、
月狼国のエピとかでやるのは危うい気がする。
>リアル月狼BAN太郎は約10ヵ国でBANされている画面端という荒らし (nobumasa)
画面端の人に正しさを感じるというのであれば、「熊沢さんがnobumasa化している」という指摘は重く受け止めるべきだと思う。
本当に何もかも読み取れていないのでは…………。
そもそも画面端さんに共感してるかどうかってのはマジで何も関係がないし、そもそもそんな話をしてすらいないし…。
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