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ジョーカーをあえて破綻させて狐狂っぽく見せておくことで、村に灰狼を探させてLWの占い騙り狼が吊られないようにする…って狙いだったのかな。
ジョーカー的にはジョーカーとセレストの投票が決定の指定先と違う人物で揃っていることにより仲間狼の証拠としたかったようだが、セレストはなぜかそれを使わなかったっぽい。
少なくともその時その時の思いつきで生きてそうなので、なんでとか考える意味はあんまり無さそう。
占い師3COで真襲撃(生きてるのは狂狼、破綻してない)
メスクリ君に確定霊が黒判定
残りの灰狼ジョーカーが狩人CO
ハムの生死は不明
この時点で灰狼狩人が狼として吊られると、どのみち占い師ローラーで狼勝利は出来なくなるから、あえて破綻させてハムに見せようとしたのだろう(それでも勝てる望みは薄いけど)
ここまではいいにしても、状況に対してのセレストの理解が「今日自分が吊られると村が負ける可能性が高いから何をしても自分は今日吊られずにハム狙いの灰吊りが行われる」程度でしかなかったっぽい。
襲撃でジョーカーをハムに見せかけてるんだから「セレスト偽COでジョーカーハムっぽいならもう吊っていいんじゃね?」って世論になるのがセレストは読めてなかったといったところか。
狼COをしないならともかく、狼COをして延命を図ったのであれば、セレストが本当にLWだって信じ込ませるしかないんだけれど、なぜか嘘に嘘を重ねてしまった、と。
まあ、確かに最後の最後まで「自分吊られたら今日で終わる」しか言ってない辺りから見ても、自分がLWであることがある程度共有されているはずだった感が出てるな。
これから皆さんには殺し合いをしてもらいます。みたいなノリの人狼COで面白かった。
投了とは思わなかったが。
人外容疑数二人以上見えてて8人で狐ケアは基本的にしないからな…。
狐ケアが発生するかしないかの判断は9人の時点でできたんでは。
【犬】 サモエド ブランカ[close]
アリアはなんかもう白すぎて、逆にこれ疑って吊った連中何者なんだって気分になったので、一周回ってネリーの回避なしが本当に人外でないのかを見直しましたの。
けれど結局、どうあがいてもネリーは生命線。
一番は、ネリーが狩ムーブをちょくちょく挟んでいた事。
▼セレストに問題は無いけれど、根本的に考察だけでリスクは消せないし
シェリーとツバキがどっちも▼セレスト言ってるし、ならさせればとの気分。大きくとも小さくとも確定情報得て気持ちよく明日へ?
けれどやっぱり決めきれない。
この村で唯一じゃないってくらい真面目にセレスト真僅かにないかと見直せば>>31でいきなり偽だし。
正直狐勝ちでもそろそろ疲れてたからいいなとも思ったり、偽とは言ったけどツバキ真なら私白だし。
楽になりたい気分しかないけれども。
ここは心を鬼にして▼ジョーカーで提出
>>83
3勝16敗くらいなので大嫌いですね。
(91) 2020/05/18(Mon) 21:53:24
>正直狐勝ちでもそろそろ疲れてたからいいなとも思ったり、偽とは言ったけどツバキ真なら私白だし。
個人的にはセレストの偽COで明らかに萎えてそうなブランカがこれを言ってるのはかなり面白ポイントが高かった。
8人の日にLWを吊ってハム勝ちっていうのは村側?の手順ミスじゃないの?
ちゃんと考えて無いけど、ハムケアする余裕があるように思うというか。
ギリギリまでハムケアして、最終日にLWを吊るのがハム入りの基本戦略かと思ってた。その最終日の日っていうのが8人の日っていうのは感覚的に拙速な気がする。
サカキ狼、ジョーカー人外とか確定してるならなおさら。
誰かツバキ(狂人)に「あなたが非狼なら柱になって下さい。あなたが真占か狂人ならハムケアで飲める話でしょ?」とか聞けば良かったんじゃないの?
そんな「コミットはルール的にOKか?」「私は破綻はしていない」等の発言で私は最後までやりきったみたいなことを言われましてもメスイキ野郎乙としか言えない…。
今の所の情報を纏めると
ダ狼狼狐占村村村村
までしか確定していない……。
もしかしたら狐3人入りの村だったのかもしれない。
どんなに世論偽になっても噛み合わせしないとハム溶け真占確定がありえるんで基本的に真占はさっさと襲撃しないときついですね
真占い抜けなかった時点でもう負けみたいな雰囲気が漂うあれ。
初手で抜けないと2回灰占われますし、3日目の噛みと同時に遺言狐溶けしたら2人の確白が出来る地獄。
1回ぐらいは
死体1つ:噛み合わせされました
死体2つ:ハム占って溶かしました
とかやってもいいんじゃない?遺言は狼占もできるし。
真占にも少しハムを探させる(何人かの非ハムを確定させる)為に初回に噛まない事が、狼がハムケアの為に支払うべきコストなんじゃないかとも思うんだけど。
とは言うものの例の村は何故か聖痕者入りで、狼側にはハムケアする余裕なんて最初から無かったのかもしれないとも思うけど。
初回の吊りがサカキ(狼)なのもよく分からん。
サカキ「狼CO。誰も異論が無い、というか私がハムだと思うという狼が居なければ確定狼としてキープして飼って下さい。襲撃でハムを見つけたら、私が窓口になって告発します。」
村側「おk」
とか、無いのかな?
これだと少し変則的だけど、狼を飼っておくのは村側にも狼側にもメリットがあって、よくある話なのでは?
【札】 トランプ ジョーカー
ハヤブサの勝ったのに素直に喜べないのが一番辛いと思います。
本当に申し訳なかったです。
(45) てんぷら 2020/05/20(Wed) 09:44:56
【独】 【隼】 諜報員 ハヤブサ
必死で位置調整してたのにそれとは別に勝利が確定してしまった悲しさよ。
(-8) motimoti 2020/05/20(Wed) 06:52:48
【隼】 諜報員 ハヤブサ
色々と不完全燃焼がすぎる……。
いや誰にも責任はないんだけど位置確保して手繋ぎして色々要素蒔いてその結果がこの勝利はあまりにも虚しい。
(25) motimoti 2020/05/20(Wed) 07:39:17
らしいから、ハヤブサは素直に喜べてなさそうだけど、素直に喜んでいい場面な気がする。
ハムとか村側と狼側のミス待ちだと思うし。
そりゃ、3人とか4人の最終日まで行ってハム生存勝利がやりきった感があって理想なのかもしれないけど、それは理想が高過ぎる気がする。
【犬】 サモエド ブランカ
>>5:+136
ツバキ非狼は決め打っていたので。
なんか文句言われてたけどあの日の進行はあれで100%合ってるぞ。
狐入り数十戦している私が保証する。
(49) きたきつね 2020/05/20(Wed) 12:27:11
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まなまな
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聖痕だけでもバランス悪いですものね。
汝編成をどうにかしようとすると原型を留めなくなってしまう。
狐入りで通常編成は無理ですよ。
新着発言はありません。RELOAD最終取得時刻 --:--:--
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