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「坂上&指原のつぶれない店」の見逃し配信見てて分かったわー。
(これから話す事と、番組の内容はあまり関係無いので、見る必要はないと思う。)
<https://www.tbs.co.jp>
熊沢さん「値段を安くすれば売れると思います。」
上司「どうやって?」
熊沢さん「値段を安くすれば売れます!」
上司「だから、どうやって?」
熊沢さん「中間マージンをカットすれば安くできると思います。」
上司「値段を安くする方法って、他にもあるよね?他の方法とかも考えて比較検証したの?」
熊沢さん「中間マージンをカットすれば安くできます!」
上司「だから、他の方法とかも考えて比較検証したの?」
熊沢さん「確霊襲撃すれば勝てると思う。」
熊沢さん「真占で潜伏すれば勝てると思う。」
の件も同じよね( ̄▽ ̄;)
熊沢さん「あのオモチャが欲しい!」
熊沢さんの母「その為にどうするの?」
熊沢さん「あのオモチャが欲しい!」
甘やかされて育ったんだろうなぁという。
ダダを捏ねてお気持ち(自分がどう感じたか)を表明すれば、
周りの人が納得しすると思ってたり、思い通りになると思ってそう。
甘やかされて育ったんだと思う( ̄▽ ̄;)
もしかしたら、熊沢さんはおばあちゃん子なのかもしれない。おばあちゃん子は三文安い感。
仕事に貴賤は無いと思うけど、仕事上でも上司やお客さんを理解してもらって納得してもらうような状況は無いんだろう。(それが良いとか悪いとかではないけど。)
上司・お客さん「(熊沢さんの説明が足りない部分を推測で補って)こういう事ですか?」
熊沢さん「そんな事は言っていません。」
上司・お客さん「結局、どういう事なんだってばよ( ̄▽ ̄;)
熊沢さんがどう言ったとか、熊沢さんがどうか感じたとか、熊沢さんのお気持ちとか、どうでもいいし、関係無いわ。
俺は熊沢さんのカウンセラーでもセラピストでも無いんだわ。」
>>g1468 とも関連するんだけど、熊沢さんは他の人が無条件に考えてくれると思ってる節があるよね。
>>31202とかも
熊沢さん「弊社のオーブントースターと、他社のオーブントースターとで、どういう違いがあるのかについては皆さんもよく調べたり考えてみて下さい。」
お客さん「今現在、オーブントースターに興味無いし、調べも考えもしないよね( ̄▽ ̄;)」
画面端の人>>31204「どういう違いがあるのか以前に何を比較しようとしているのか分からなかった。
(どこかの村の話をしてるのか?そうだとしても、せめてどこの村の話をしてるのか説明してくれないと意味が分からないわ。俺はエスパーじゃないんだからさー。)」
チコちゃん「熊沢さん、何も考えてないじゃない?
『〜の違い』について、自分の考えとか言いたい事とか、何も無いんでしょ?
ボーっと生きてんじゃねーよ!」
推敲し過ぎて「甘やかされて〜」が重複してしまった( ̄▽ ̄;)
まぁ、なんというか熊沢さんは
「自分で何とかしよう!」
という意識が希薄なんだと思う。
他の人に考えて貰おうっていうのは他力本願に近いし、
その結果は自分が何もしなくても、自分の都合の良いものになると思ってるんだろうから運頼み・神頼みに近いと思うし。
熊沢さん「今、俺が何食べたかいか考えて作ってね。」
熊沢さんの妻(・・・ピキピキ)
熊沢さんの妻「はい。グラタン。」
熊沢さん「グラタンが食べたいなんて言っていない。」
熊沢さんの妻(・・・ピキピキピキ)
のぶまさwroldを展開してじぶんが無限に納得しないのを利用して熊沢さんの発言に説得力がないという結論を捻り出すのを世間では何と呼ぶのかはおうちの人と一緒に考えてみましょう。
そもそも吊られた奴の霊判定を不確定にしたり霊襲撃によって隠すことで利用して勝つのは僕は実際にやっているので、それが出来ないとも思ってないんだよね。
普通は手に靴を履いてる人が居たら、なんかおかしなことやってるなあいつはと思うところを、「あれ?靴って耳に嵌めるんだっけどっちだっけ?」と言われても問題点は正解かどうかではない。
熊沢worldを展開してじぶんが無限に納得しないのを利用して熊沢さんの発言に説得力がないというのはイチャモンだという結論を捻り出すのを世間では何と呼ぶのかはおうちの人と一緒に考えてみましょう。
>>31216って、熊沢さんのお気持ち表明とか、自分がどう感じたかの表明に過ぎないんでしょ?( ̄▽ ̄;)
根拠も理由もなければ、それで勝てそうな目処(確霊襲撃した後でポリー白世論にする為の説得力のあるプラン)も無い訳だし。
>>31218とかも、
「吊られた仲間の狼の霊判定を確定させて、それを利用して勝つのも見た事があるので、それが出来ないとも思ってないんだよね。」
と言われたら、確霊襲撃とそれ以外を襲撃した場合とで「どっちでも、やりようで勝てる」「確霊襲撃の方が有利とはいえないし、極論襲撃先はどうでもいいのでは?」となってしまうと思うな。
(ずーっとそんな話をしてる気がする。)
あと、これも何度も言ってる気がするけど、
熊沢さんが私を納得させるっていう構図ではないと思うよ( ̄▽ ̄;)
熊沢さん狼の赤「2−2にしたいけど、潜狂ちょっと怖いから居留守で様子見るわ。」
熊沢さん狼「占CO。ごめんごめん、リアル事情で遅くなった。」
nobumasa真占「熊沢さん、ストッパー狼なんじゃないの?」
熊沢さん狼「リアル事情だと言っているのに、のぶまささんがのぶまさwroldを展開して無限に納得しない。
これを世間では何と呼ぶのかはおうちの人と一緒に考えてみましょう。」
村人「知らんがな。」
熊沢さん「確霊襲撃が有利だと言ってるのに、のぶまささんがのぶまさwroldを展開して無限に納得しないの不愉快です。」>>30722
nobumasa「熊沢さん=山吹さんでしょ?」<http://real.gunjobiyori.com>
原形を留めてなさ過ぎて失敗感。
あと、「考えてみましょう」とか「そんな事は言っていない」とか熊沢さんの特徴的な部分を組込めてないのも・・・。
私の認識
熊沢さんの主張:確霊襲撃は強い
のぶまささんの発言内容:関係がありそうでなさそうなことを言っている
>>31236 カタリナ
特定の村とは関係ない一般論・戦術論の話ではなく、
↓の村の話なんやで。ちなみに私も熊沢さんも参加してない。
<http://www.moonpupa.jp>
この村の実際の流れは、
@G16の3−1。2日目に純灰ポリー狼への疑いが集中して▼ポリーが10票になる。
↓
Aポリー狼は狩回避せずに吊られ、確霊を襲撃しなかったのでポリー狼は確定する。
↓
B途中省略するけどポリー狼からのラインで、残りの潜伏狼のロルウェルも吊られて、最終的には狼が負ける。
新着発言はありません。RELOAD最終取得時刻 --:--:--
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