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ポリー狼からロルウェルが仲間狼と直接的に推理されなかろうと、たとえばポリー狼ならこの灰は非仲間っぽい、といった論で消去法的に辿りつかれるケースはありえるでしょ…。
実際にロルウェルが吊られてるのもこういう理由なんじゃないの?
タッグじゃなくてnobumasaそのものにならないと意味ないでしょ。そもそも。
タッグ組んだらただの熊沢さんだし。
タッグマッチはともかくとして、このまえのもろかく音頭村って僕とのぶまささんの2狼の組み合わせじゃなかったっけ?
集英社で出版している本なら書店になければ集英社から取り寄せればいいけど、nobumasaから出版されてる本なのだからnobumasaになるしかない。
頑張れ熊沢!
ここらへんの状況を全部無視して「ポリー狼と判明しても、ロルウェルの立場が悪くなることは絶対的にありえない」と結論付けるのは、ちょっと無理があるでしょ。
>>29113
ついこの間、まなまなさんとロイスさんと4人村(参加者は3人)をやったから、4人村はしばらくいいかなー・・・( ̄▽ ̄;)
まぁ、話して決着が付かないなら、人狼とか麻雀で決着を付ける方が良いとは思うけど。
(で、麻雀すると私と熊沢さんのサシウマみたいな状況なのに、kiironさんが「ツモ!天和・四暗刻単騎・字一色!64,000オール!」とか言い出すんでしょ・・・ガクブル)
そもそも確定霊襲撃後は狼占い師が信用取ればいいって僕ははっきりと言っているので、
>熊沢さん潜伏狼「勝ち筋があるとは言っていない。」
ここが完全に捏造ですね。
後出しの補足になるけど、より正確に言うなら「灰狼は当然白くなる努力をしつつも狼占い師の決め打ちも狙っていく2本線を主軸に考える」って感じかな。
>熊沢さん潜伏狼「ポリー黒が確定しなければ、ポリー黒は切り崩し易い・誘導し易い。」
>nobumasa占狼「だから、どうやって?確霊襲撃した後のプランとか勝ち筋は?」
のぶまささんの発言の前後が全く関係ないじゃんこれ。
どうやってポリー白に誘導するのかと、確定霊襲撃後のプランとか勝ち筋って別の話ですよ。
ここが区別ついてないのかもしれないけれど。
チョンチョンするから、天和と四暗刻単騎は同時に成立しないかもしれない。
よく分からんけどnobumasa→熊沢→って問答形式になってるけどnobumasa→nobumasa→nobumasaって言う問答なんだろうな。
ここはやはりnobumasaになるのがnobumasaに対する礼節…。
区別がついていないのではなく区別する必要がない…なぜならそれは熊沢ではないから。
いいから、熊沢をやめろ!早く!早く!
仕方がない。熊沢さんがいつまでも熊沢をするつもりなら俺は熊沢さんのことはnobumasaと呼ぶことにするか…。
「確定黒のポリーを前提としたライン推理」
「確定していないポリー黒を前提としたライン推理」
この2者の比較では、前提条件の確度が違うんだから、後者の方が切り崩しやすい、って話なんだけれど。どうやってもクソもないやんけ。
たとえばだけど、「ポリー確定狼なら昨日投票してないロルウェルは黒いね」って主張に対しては、ポリー黒という前提はどうやっても切り崩せないわけだから、投票と黒要素の因果関係について否定しないといけないわけだけれど、
「ポリーは黒っぽいから昨日投票していないロルウェルは黒いね」という主張に対してなら、ポリー黒自体が確定情報じゃないんだから、そこからまず否定するって手段も取れるわけですよ。
これを指して「切り崩しやすさが段違い」と僕は言っているのだけれども。
まあ、事実を前提とせずに自分を前提にして話ができるのは人狼の良いところだし…。そう言う人たちが集まってくるからそこまで目立たないのでいいのでは?
>nobumasa占狼「確定霊襲撃しても、みんなポリー黒前提で話を進めると思うよ。ポリー黒が確定しても、熊沢さんが白くなればいい。(意趣返し)」
ここら辺とか完全にのぶまさワールドでしか成立しない話だから…。
少なくとも僕は命中100%と80%の技では100%の技の方が当たりやすい程度の話しかしてないと思うんだけれど、のぶまささんの中ではどういう処理がなされているんだ…。
本当に読み取れてない・想定ができないのか無視しているのかはわからんけれど、僕はこの辺りはきちんと説明できるので…。
ダーウィンの進化論が登場して以来アダムとイヴから人間が産まれたと教えられてきた福音派に残された道は人狼をやるしかない!ってことらしい。
100%が本当に100%なら「当たりやすい」と言う表現になるはずがないし、俺は80%の技をこの前三回連続で外したことがある。確実に80%も命中率がない!!運営を訴えるべき。
象の話の時もnobumasaが的外れなことを言ってた形になってたので今さらそれを言うのかね。
鼻が長い動物が象ではないと言ってるのに、象とは言ってないがやっぱり象と言うことにされてるのと異口同音なだけだと思うのだが。
nobumasaになった方が早くない?
そもそも会話形式の発言捏造は、状況の想定からして、のぶまささんが占い騙り狼で僕が灰狼ということになってるので、そこらへんの細部の指摘以前の問題だと思ってしまっていたな…。
nobumasaと言う事実に目を背けて、事実を元に話をし始めるnobumasaは事実確認能力の欠如した月狼BAN太郎である。
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