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熊沢さん潜伏狼「確定霊襲撃しないと、みんなポリー黒前提のラインで俺を疑いそうだ。」
nobumasa占狼「ポリー黒確定するとみんなラインで熊沢さんを疑うなら、確定霊襲撃してもみんなポリー黒前提のラインで熊沢さんを疑うと思うよ。」
熊沢さん潜伏狼「不確定の情報を元になされた推理と確定情報を元になされた推理では切り崩しやすさが段違いだし、誘導のしやすさも段違いなんだけどご存知?」
nobumasa占狼「じゃあ私が村人役やるから、ちょっとシミュレーションしてみる?」
熊沢さん潜伏狼「構わんよ。」
nobumasa占狼「忍びねぇな。」
熊沢さん潜伏狼「なんという事だ!確霊が襲撃されてて霊判定が見れない!ポリー狼が確定しないという事は村の可能性もある!」
nobumasa村人「霊が噛まれるなんて吊られたポリーは狼だったのか?>>28985
熊沢さんが狼で、ポリー狼が確定するとラインで熊沢さん狼だと思われるから霊を噛んだ可能性が高い。熊沢さんを吊ろう!
ポリー村の可能性もあるとか言うのも、ポリー狼前提のラインで疑われないように自己弁護してるっぽくて黒い!」
nobumasa占狼「で、どうやって切り崩して誘導するの?」
熊沢さん潜伏狼「切り崩し易い・誘導し易いとは言ったけど、切り崩せる・誘導できるプランがあるとは言っていない。」
nobumasa占狼「ヽ(_ _ヽ)彡ズコー!」
熊沢さん潜伏狼「じゃあ、占い師襲撃した場合をシミュレーションしてみる?」
狂人「キャロ黒!」
確霊「ポリー黒!」
キャロ「非狩!狩人は確霊を護衛して私の白を証明してね!」
熊沢さん潜伏狼「ポリー狼が確定したから、ラインで俺が疑われて吊られてしまう!もうだめだぁ・・・おしまいだぁ・・・。」
nobumasa村人「熊沢さんが狼でそう思うなら、確霊襲撃すれば良かったじゃん。熊沢さんは村なのでは?そんな事より狩保護がマイブームだからキャロ吊ろうぜ!▼キャロ」
狩人「まぁいいんじゃないの?吊りミスしてない訳だし、余裕あるし。無理して狩を炙る事もあるまい。▼キャロ」
三重県って実在するかまだよく分からんのよな。三重県住んでます!って人に今のところ会ったことがないし。
そうするときーろんも架空の存在である可能性が高いわけで。
熊沢さん潜伏狼「その後のプランは?」
nobumasa占狼「▼キャロ→▼狂人→▼狼占。あとは灰の殴り愛で、熊沢さんが白くなればいいんじゃん?
そもそも論だけど、ポリー狼確定したからといって熊沢さん狼が確定する訳では無くない?」
熊沢さん潜伏狼「ポリー黒が確定しなければ、ポリー黒は切り崩し易い・誘導し易い。」
nobumasa占狼「だから、どうやって?確霊襲撃した後のプランとか勝ち筋は?」
熊沢さん潜伏狼「勝ち筋があるとは言っていない。」
nobumasa占狼「確霊襲撃しても勝ち筋無いの?」
熊沢さん潜伏狼「勝ち筋が無いとは言っていない。」
nobumasa占狼「どっちやねん!( ´Д`)っ))Д゚)・∵.」
しくじり先生に出てたAKB関係っぽい女の子が大分県ラブリーだったのに小倉優子会以降はもうないのだろうか。
熊沢さん潜伏狼「プランは村人が『やっぱポリー白かも』と後から意見が変わるのを祈る。」
nobumasa占狼「それプランって言えるんかーい!祈るんかーい!神頼みかーい!( ´Д`)っ))Д゚)・∵.」
熊沢さん潜伏狼「俺は神道を信仰してるとも、キリスト教徒だとも言っていない。」
nobumasa占狼「仏教徒かーい!結局運ゲーやないかーい!( ´Д`)っ))Д゚)・∵.」
熊沢さん潜伏狼「俺は仏教徒だとは言っていない。」
nobumasa占狼「熊沢さんが何を信仰しててもいいけど、結局運ゲーなんじゃないの?」
熊沢さん潜伏狼「俺は運ゲーだとは言っていない。」
nobumasa占狼「全体的にだけど、『熊沢さんがこう言った』なんて言って無いからね。
『熊沢さんが言ってる事を総合すると、こういう事なんだと【私は思う】』って話だからね?」
>>29049
nobumasa占狼「確霊とか襲撃してると全視点詰みに近付くと思うけど、残るのは熊沢さんだから霊襲撃で合わせるよ。」
〜数日後〜
狩人「狩CO!これでどの占い師が真でも詰みだね!」
nobumasa占狼「だから言ったじゃーん。」
>>29052
記憶にあるだけでも、
・私が真占の時に狂決打ち放置されて生存勝利した村
・私が狼占の時に狂決打ち放置されて生存勝利した村
・私が村人の時に狂決打ち放置には反対したけど、他の村人が縄を欲張って狂決打ち放置→狼占でしたで負けた村
正確な記憶は無いけど、狂決打ち放置→実際狂人でしたで村が勝った村とかもあったと思う。
画面端さんがきいろんの存在を疑うのはわかるぜ
この世にこんな聖母マリアのような天才的性格の持ち主がいるなんて信じ難いもんな?
なんならうちの職場に泊まりに来る?(
狂放置ってそこそこ行われてるし、それで成功したパターンも結構あるから、「狂放置」と言うだけである程度意図が通じるんだと思うよ。
狂灰灰灰の4人の最終日、狂人吊ったら村が負ける訳で、狂人は吊られたいと思ってる訳で。
これ日数を遡っても、例えば9割方狂人なら代わりに灰狼を吊る事を狙った方がいいと思うよ。
のぶまささん「この鶏肉、焼いてから煮たの?」
くまざわさん「焼いたとは言っていない。」
のぶまささん「一度焼いた方が鶏肉の臭みも取れるし、香ばしさもでる。皮もパリッとして旨いよ。そのひと手間を惜しんではいけない。」
くまざわさん「焼いて無いとは言っていない。」
nobumasa占狼「どっちやねん!( ´Д`)っ))Д゚)・∵.」
金があるなら無茶な注文をしても答えてくれるかもしれないけど、金もないけど「ステーキを焼け!」「ステーキを焼け!」って言われてもなあ…。
>>29068
画面端の人>>28985「人間が吊られた時に霊能者を噛むのがベスト。」
画面端の人も狼が吊られた時に霊能者を噛むのはベストではないって言ってるけど( ̄▽ ̄;)
連投してる時に発言挟まれると読みにくいやん?
(連投してる時に発言するなとは言っていない。)
というか、狼吊られた日になんで霊を噛むかといえば、霊判定を隠すためで
一概に▲霊がきたから吊られた人は狼だ、にはならないよ
狼はポリーが狼だということを知っているので、しんうらに黒出されたら詰むとの認識があるけど
村視点からするとポリー黒ならむしろ狼は霊なんて噛んでいる場合ではないのでは?と思うかもしれないし
のぶまささんて結局は狼吊られてるんだから詰み√回避するためにもしんうら抜かないとって話をしとるんやろ?
くまざわさんはLWになる自分が占い位置にいないから、占噛みよりも仲間の色をみせない選択を取るほうが、村に余計な推理をさせられるでしょ?て話をしてるから
決着しないと思うよ
のぶまささんはのぶまささん独自の理論で主張を展開しているけれど、僕は事実を元に主張を展開しているので、まずその点から異なりますね。
>熊沢さん潜伏狼「その後のプランは?」
nobumasa占狼「▼キャロ→▼狂人→▼狼占。あとは灰の殴り愛で、熊沢さんが白くなればいいんじゃん?
そもそも論だけど、ポリー狼確定したからといって熊沢さん狼が確定する訳では無くない?」
熊沢さん潜伏狼「ポリー黒が確定しなければ、ポリー黒は切り崩し易い・誘導し易い。」
nobumasa占狼「だから、どうやって?確霊襲撃した後のプランとか勝ち筋は?」
熊沢さん潜伏狼「勝ち筋があるとは言っていない。」
おそらく、かなり長い間裏でnobumasaが喋っていると言うことは俺が考えた最強の俺が考えたことを喋っているに違いないわけだ。熊沢さんの反論には耳を貸さず。
と言うことはここは折れないと話が終わらないわけだ。
と言ってもnobumasaが考えた最強の考えたことを肯定する根拠はないわけだから、肯定する方法はただ1つ、熊沢さんがnobumasaになればいい。
ポリー狼の情報から灰狼の情報に辿りつかれることはないけれど、確定霊襲撃の勝ち筋については一切見えないって、どんだけ世界を自分の都合の良いものとして解釈してるんだ…。
黒崎一護がざんぱくとうになったことから考えると熊沢さんがnobumasaになるのはそんなに難しくないと考える。
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