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をぼろんはかなり微妙なラインだな。ある程度の自覚はあったと思うけれどどこがダメだったのかの認識はズレてたのかもわからん。
「悪いことしてる奴はバカ」みたいな認知は今すぐ改めたほうがいいですよ。
irohshs君とかriotさんとか正にこれでドボンになりましたが…。
「悪いことしてる奴はバカ」、相手が何一つ悪くなかった場合はダメージが自分のみにしか入らなくなるし、それで味方につけた奴は認知がおかしい奴しかいないので味方として役に立たないし、何一つ手法としていいところがない。
自分でいつも話をぶつ切りにして連続性のない反論しか言ってないから他人の話の連続性が見えてないんじゃないですか?
評価するとか言うからわからんのかな。「画面端さんはそこら辺の迷惑行為を働く奴らよりよっぽど事実を正しく認識できている」これで伝わるかな。
のぶまささんの画面端叩き、「画面端に自分が荒らし扱いされたのが許せない」が原動力なんだろうなあとはいつ見ても思う。
「悪いことしてる奴はバカ」は全面的に正しいと思うんだけど( ̄▽ ̄;)
熊沢さんの>>33956「京アニに放火した青葉容疑者は35人も殺すなんて、頭がいい。賢い。」
みたいな犯罪者を称賛するような見解は流石にどうかと思う。
頭が良いなら売れっ子ラノベ作家とかになってたんじゃないかと。
>>33962 トーマス
私は瓜科の管理人にも荒らし扱いされてペナルティ掛けられてるけど、別に瓜科の管理人を批判してないでしょ?
(ついでに言うと、tohkaさんは瓜科で荒らし扱いされてBANされてるけど、瓜科の管理人を批判しないやん?)
もう少し柔らかい表現にしたとしても、
熊沢さんはデスノートとか好きそうだな・・・( ̄▽ ̄;)
「夜神月カッコイイ!」みたいな。
いや、デスノートちゃんと読んだ事無いんだけど。
>>33958 トーマス
画面端の人の発言のアンカとか貼って具体的に説明してくれないと。
「画面端の人が、正しく認識できている客観的な事実」なんて存在しないから、熊沢さんが証拠を出せないように思う。
裸の王様に「バカには見えない布で作られた服です」とか言ってる服屋みたいな事を熊沢さんは言ってる感。
おとぎ話の中ではともかく、普通の人は目に見えないし触れないものが存在すると言われても信じないでしょ( ̄▽ ̄;)
言い換えましょうか。道徳的な行動が出来る人物かどうかと、その当人の能力や多能が高いかどうかは別次元の話ですよ。
勿論、非道徳的かつ能力の低い人も普通に存在しますよ。でも全員が全員そうではないし、少なくとも画面端さんの認知能力においてはそうではないです。
のぶまささんは自分に理解できない話は間違ってるで延々話を引き延ばすってこの前学習したのでその手には乗れないよ…。
>>33954 トーマス
そもそも論だけど、
「投げればとりあえず石の当たる属性の人間や団体」
というのがなんだか分かってないからね( ̄▽ ̄;)
もちろん、私の察しが悪いってのもあるだろうけど、他の人がみんな熊沢さんの中での意味が分かるとも思えず。
単純に熊沢さんの説明不足だと思うんだよね。
「石」が熊沢さんの中で何を意味するのかのすり合わせすら出来てない認識。
銀鉄って風俗行くんだっけ?風俗で性病が脳に入ったのと同じようなもんかもしれみたいなこと言ってる奴はいたが。
画面端にだけは荒らし扱いされたかねえよって気持ちだけはわからなくもないのだけれど、その報復で荒らしみたいな粘着してどうすんだよとは常々思ってた。
ddDdの方が性病の知識はありそうだし早く来い!
ddDdじゃなくてもいいけど喋れる奴が来い!
>>33964 トーマス
道徳的な行動が出来る人物かどうかと、その当人の能力や知能が高いかは別次元の話だと思うよ。
非道徳的だけど、「めちゃくちゃ計算が早いとか、めちゃくちゃ強いとか、絶対音感があるとか、味覚が優れている=能力が高い」とかはあると思うよ。
↓知能
<https://www.weblio.jp>
<https://ja.wikipedia.org>
けど、「道徳が理解できないならバカ」なんじゃないかな( ̄▽ ̄;)
ちなみに画面端の人の認知能力が高いという証拠を熊沢さんが提出しないので、とりあえず画面端の人の認知能力は低いと思うので、「画面端の人は非道徳的かつ能力の低い人」だと思うんだけど。
歴代ヤバい奴って話を始める前に先に設定を決めてしまってそれを前提に話始めるからツッコミどころしか発生しなくなるような。
設定の8割以上は悪、敵、反日のどれかだな。
tohkaさんの敵である反日autoroguardは月狼BAN太郎と言うIDをケチ付けられたためyukariさんの敵となったわけだな。ところが反日autoroguardは敵であるyukariさんの謝罪をしたり談笑したり、村に参加している…これは完全に荒らし行為…。
今、思ったのだがtohkaさんの指摘する熊沢さんの非難内容は別に熊沢さんが荒らしってことを指してないんでは。
「道徳が理解できないならバカ」っていうのは
「1+1=2」みたいに人間が多数決で決めた前提みたいなものだと思うんだよね。
馬鹿の意味を調べると、
>2 社会的な常識にひどく欠けていること。また、その人。
<https://www.weblio.jp>
「画面端の人は社会的な常識にひどく欠けている=バカ」
完全に日本語として正しいじゃないか。
いや、画面端には道理は理解できていて、その上で非道徳的だからそれに反しているって話をずっとしているんだけど…。
> ちなみに画面端の人の認知能力が高いという証拠を熊沢さんが提出しないので、とりあえず画面端の人の認知能力は低いと思う
これがのぶまさwolrdなんですよ…。
道理はきちんと理解できてるからゆーろさんが開始する気のない村は建てないでくださいねって言ってから今まで村を建ててないんですよ。
>>33978 トーマス
とりあえず、熊沢さんは
「画面端の人が、社会的な常識にひどく欠けて『いない』」
と思うわけ?( ̄▽ ̄;)
画面端が非道徳的だから見下したいってのぶまささんが思ってるのはどうぞご自由にとは思いますが、それならきちんとそこだけに論点を絞って非難すべきだと思いますよ。何でもかんでも全否定するのではなく。
>>33981 トーマス
「画面端が非道徳的だから見下したい」なんて思ってもいないし、言ってもいないよ。
画面端の人を何でもかんでも全否定してるつもりもないよ。
どうして、熊沢さんはそう思ったわけ?
ちなみに、画面端の人は絵が結構上手いよ。
そういう所は評価してるし、認めざるを得ない。
画面端の人の道徳とか人格とか認知能力とかはどうかと思うけど、画面端の人を全否定してる訳ではないよ。
>ちなみに、画面端の人は絵が結構上手いよ。
そういう所は評価してるし、認めざるを得ない。
謎の認知が出てきた…。
何をすれば本番ができるかじゃなくて本番はできないの。そう言う店でお金払ってやってね。え?お金なら出す?違うの、ここではそう言うのはできないのよ。
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